[Give him a second, let him look at those descriptions again...]
alright so somewhere between 1 and 2
I was in for almost 20 years it was a lifetime sentence but yelena and her sister broke me out and then in the chaos of the blip I got to ease into american citizenship without anyone asking any questions but in my defense my only crime was insulting superior officer and flipping his desk he had it coming
well let me put it this way if it is choice between asshole belonging to asshole and my own hand, hand is the better option
(do not share my texts with yelena please because she will not think that was funny)
well he was leader of red room and he was very bad person with very fragile ego I guess when super soldier came into his office and started yelling at him he felt VERY threatened easier to just put red guardian behind bars than dealing with what would happen if great hero of Russia told everyone government's dirty secrets
There is no part of me that even considered anyone being anywhere near your asshole, tbh. Well... maybe your wife, actually.
Oh, she doesn't wanna know anyway. So this is just between us.
Yeahhhhhh. Red Room is just like... Russian HYDRA, yeah? Human experimentation, torture, generally horrible people doing their best to turn not horrible people into horrible people?
winter soldier was already made by russian faction of HYDRA i am pretty sure siberia I think is what bucky said so winter soldier is already kind of russian winter soldier except he is not real russian (do not ask bucky about it he is very sensitive about HYDRA things)
and red guardian is meant to be russian CAPTAIN AMERICA government sponsored super soldier fighting country's enemies out in public!
Wait, really? I didn't know that. I mean, we don't talk about it, I mostly just know what was in the files Natasha released when she revealed HYDRA was hiding in SHIELD. I do recall the Siberia thing though. Sam told me about it. There were more soldiers there and Zemo killed them all.
Oh, that makes sense. How did they get your serum?
Yeah. They were in cryostasis in Siberia and he killed them all in their... tanks, I guess? He also destroyed the vials the Flag Smashers had. Except the one John got.
It's because he hates super soldiers. He doesn't think anyone should have that power. Except Bucky. He apparently he likes Bucky.
I mean, possible? If it's stolen, it could be the same one Bucky has, right?
but that is horrible! what if they all had the potential to be free of HYDRA brainwashing and become heroes like bucky??? destroying serum itself is fine but killing people just because they got the serum is WRONG
does zemo also hate walker? does zemo hate ME???
[His world is being turned upside down right now, rip...]
I guess it could be it would not be the first time red room created ultimate human weapon by stealing from HYDRA
Okay, I wanna preface by stating that the info I have is from Sam, who was told by Steve, who was told by Bucky, so if it’s not entirely accurate, it’s because it’s been passed along in a game of Chinese whispers.
But basically, iirc, the other winter soldiers were some of HYDRA’s best assassins so they were already loyal to HYDRA. And when they got the serum, they became uncontrollable. Which is why they were taken to Siberia and put in cryo.
Obviously I have no idea if Zemo hates either of you but given he kinda hates the whole idea of superheroes and whatnot, probably yes? Except he seems to respect Sam and Bucky? So it’s not a personal, “he hates the individual” thing, just a hate for powered people and superheroes in general.
There’s a reason he wanted to destroy the Avengers, after all. Sam said his whole family was killed after Ultron destroyed Sokovia.
that is very sad but super powered people have also done a lot of GOOD in this world and I think is very unfair to judge all of them for a few mistakes and bad eggs some human beings who did NOT have super powers have done things that are much worse than what happened at sokovia, so it is not really the powers that are to blame
I cannot talk about what they stole but they sent me in to do some of the stealing so I think I know what I am talking about
Hey, man, you don't need to try and convince me. I agree with you. And I'm literally Captain America's partner so it would be hypocritical of me if I didn't agree with you. But I also didn't have my entire country lifted into the sky and then dropped. And I also didn't have to bury my entire family in the aftermath. So, while I don't agree with his methods or the murder of a bunch of people, including the king of Wakanda, I can kinda get why he'd hate super heroes.
Ooh. Secrets! Also I trust you. You also don't have to try and convince me of that.
yes yes preaching to the choir but I always thought zemo is very nice, chill man apart from the 'being in prison' thing. that does not matter, I have done some bad things and ended up in prison too I just do not like the thought that he does not like people like me
Why can't he be both? I mean, when you really think about it, he's a father and husband mourning his wife and son. I don't agree with his actions AT ALL! But grief and pain affects people in all kinds ways.
Yup, that definitely sounds defense mechanism-y. He gives of the vibes of someone who really wants to be liked but is also super afraid of being judged and hated so just kinda gives people a reason to that isn't... himself?
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But so like... kind of a little bit into dudes but mostly women?
Got it.
I'm probably like a 4 on the Kinsey scale, for what it's worth.
Wow... how long were you in prison for?
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[Give him a second, let him look at those descriptions again...]
alright so somewhere between 1 and 2
I was in for almost 20 years
it was a lifetime sentence but yelena and her sister broke me out and then in the chaos of the blip I got to ease into american citizenship without anyone asking any questions
but in my defense my only crime was insulting superior officer
and flipping his desk
he had it coming
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TWENTY YEARS?!
That's nearly my whole life?
And you never?! Not even once??
Wait... is that actually all you did?
Sounds like someone was a little sensitive tbh.
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if it is choice between asshole belonging to asshole and my own hand, hand is the better option
(do not share my texts with yelena please because she will not think that was funny)
well he was leader of red room and he was very bad person with very fragile ego
I guess when super soldier came into his office and started yelling at him he felt VERY threatened
easier to just put red guardian behind bars than dealing with what would happen if great hero of Russia told everyone government's dirty secrets
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Well... maybe your wife, actually.
Oh, she doesn't wanna know anyway. So this is just between us.
Yeahhhhhh.
Red Room is just like... Russian HYDRA, yeah?
Human experimentation, torture, generally horrible people doing their best to turn not horrible people into horrible people?
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BASICALLY russian HYDRA
but they knew HYDRA had the better stuff so that is why they would always try to steal from them
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I'm taking that to mean that you have absolutely been pegged by your wife.
Oh.
Wonderful.
Another HYDRA.
Is that why they made you??
Are you just the Russian Winter Soldier???
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siberia I think is what bucky said
so winter soldier is already kind of russian winter soldier
except he is not real russian
(do not ask bucky about it he is very sensitive about HYDRA things)
and red guardian is meant to be russian CAPTAIN AMERICA
government sponsored super soldier fighting country's enemies out in public!
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I didn't know that.
I mean, we don't talk about it, I mostly just know what was in the files Natasha released when she revealed HYDRA was hiding in SHIELD.
I do recall the Siberia thing though.
Sam told me about it. There were more soldiers there and Zemo killed them all.
Oh, that makes sense.
How did they get your serum?
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zemo killed super soldiers???
HOW
also why but mostly how
they said that they made it themselves
peak of russian advancements
but after all these years I am thinking maybe they stole it
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They were in cryostasis in Siberia and he killed them all in their... tanks, I guess?
He also destroyed the vials the Flag Smashers had. Except the one John got.
It's because he hates super soldiers. He doesn't think anyone should have that power.
Except Bucky. He apparently he likes Bucky.
I mean, possible?
If it's stolen, it could be the same one Bucky has, right?
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what if they all had the potential to be free of HYDRA brainwashing and become heroes like bucky???
destroying serum itself is fine but killing people just because they got the serum is WRONG
does zemo also hate walker?
does zemo hate ME???
[His world is being turned upside down right now, rip...]
I guess it could be
it would not be the first time red room created ultimate human weapon by stealing from HYDRA
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But basically, iirc, the other winter soldiers were some of HYDRA’s best assassins so they were already loyal to HYDRA. And when they got the serum, they became uncontrollable. Which is why they were taken to Siberia and put in cryo.
Obviously I have no idea if Zemo hates either of you but given he kinda hates the whole idea of superheroes and whatnot, probably yes?
Except he seems to respect Sam and Bucky? So it’s not a personal, “he hates the individual” thing, just a hate for powered people and superheroes in general.
There’s a reason he wanted to destroy the Avengers, after all.
Sam said his whole family was killed after Ultron destroyed Sokovia.
What else did they steal??
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but super powered people have also done a lot of GOOD in this world and I think is very unfair to judge all of them for a few mistakes and bad eggs
some human beings who did NOT have super powers have done things that are much worse than what happened at sokovia, so it is not really the powers that are to blame
I cannot talk about what they stole but they sent me in to do some of the stealing so
I think I know what I am talking about
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I agree with you.
And I'm literally Captain America's partner so it would be hypocritical of me if I didn't agree with you.
But I also didn't have my entire country lifted into the sky and then dropped. And I also didn't have to bury my entire family in the aftermath.
So, while I don't agree with his methods or the murder of a bunch of people, including the king of Wakanda, I can kinda get why he'd hate super heroes.
Ooh. Secrets!
Also I trust you.
You also don't have to try and convince me of that.
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but I always thought zemo is very nice, chill man
apart from the 'being in prison' thing. that does not matter, I have done some bad things and ended up in prison too
I just do not like the thought that he does not like people like me
that is good to know at least! :)
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I mean, when you really think about it, he's a father and husband mourning his wife and son.
I don't agree with his actions AT ALL!
But grief and pain affects people in all kinds ways.
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do you think I can change his mind? get him to like more super soldiers?
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I mean, he likes Bucky.
And I think he likes Sam?
So it's not the individuals that are the problem.
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that is how it should be
I don't know if he will ever like walker though
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He doesn't make it easy to like him either.
Pretty sure it's a defense mechanism.
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walker is a good person, he is just very bad at saying good things
and good at saying bad things
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He gives of the vibes of someone who really wants to be liked but is also super afraid of being judged and hated so just kinda gives people a reason to that isn't... himself?
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that is very deep
you really think that is it??
I should go and tell him he is cool more often
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But for a man who acts like an ass that doesn't care about anyone but himself, he sure does seem to really wanna help people.
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walker will always jump in to protect you when going gets tough
like very angry guard dog
he will punch your bullies in the face for you
I understand that feeling
I also like to punch bullies
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See what I mean?
Defense mechanism-y.
Don't tell him I said anything.
I don't think he likes me very much.
Also, I'm amazed anyone would bully you.
You're like a giant bear.
And I mean that in the not-gay way.
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it will be our secret :)
and you know
PRISON
everyone bullies everyone there, it is just how things are
there were many more giant bears there
gay and not-gay