but that is horrible! what if they all had the potential to be free of HYDRA brainwashing and become heroes like bucky??? destroying serum itself is fine but killing people just because they got the serum is WRONG
does zemo also hate walker? does zemo hate ME???
[His world is being turned upside down right now, rip...]
I guess it could be it would not be the first time red room created ultimate human weapon by stealing from HYDRA
Okay, I wanna preface by stating that the info I have is from Sam, who was told by Steve, who was told by Bucky, so if it’s not entirely accurate, it’s because it’s been passed along in a game of Chinese whispers.
But basically, iirc, the other winter soldiers were some of HYDRA’s best assassins so they were already loyal to HYDRA. And when they got the serum, they became uncontrollable. Which is why they were taken to Siberia and put in cryo.
Obviously I have no idea if Zemo hates either of you but given he kinda hates the whole idea of superheroes and whatnot, probably yes? Except he seems to respect Sam and Bucky? So it’s not a personal, “he hates the individual” thing, just a hate for powered people and superheroes in general.
There’s a reason he wanted to destroy the Avengers, after all. Sam said his whole family was killed after Ultron destroyed Sokovia.
that is very sad but super powered people have also done a lot of GOOD in this world and I think is very unfair to judge all of them for a few mistakes and bad eggs some human beings who did NOT have super powers have done things that are much worse than what happened at sokovia, so it is not really the powers that are to blame
I cannot talk about what they stole but they sent me in to do some of the stealing so I think I know what I am talking about
Hey, man, you don't need to try and convince me. I agree with you. And I'm literally Captain America's partner so it would be hypocritical of me if I didn't agree with you. But I also didn't have my entire country lifted into the sky and then dropped. And I also didn't have to bury my entire family in the aftermath. So, while I don't agree with his methods or the murder of a bunch of people, including the king of Wakanda, I can kinda get why he'd hate super heroes.
Ooh. Secrets! Also I trust you. You also don't have to try and convince me of that.
yes yes preaching to the choir but I always thought zemo is very nice, chill man apart from the 'being in prison' thing. that does not matter, I have done some bad things and ended up in prison too I just do not like the thought that he does not like people like me
Why can't he be both? I mean, when you really think about it, he's a father and husband mourning his wife and son. I don't agree with his actions AT ALL! But grief and pain affects people in all kinds ways.
Yup, that definitely sounds defense mechanism-y. He gives of the vibes of someone who really wants to be liked but is also super afraid of being judged and hated so just kinda gives people a reason to that isn't... himself?
how are we going to pinky swear if we cannot link pinkies?
some people are just not easily terrified especially not eight foot tall murderers surviving in russian gulag it was a lot of bear versus bear behavior and some inmates were just slimy underhanded snakes getting others to do the bullying for them
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what if they all had the potential to be free of HYDRA brainwashing and become heroes like bucky???
destroying serum itself is fine but killing people just because they got the serum is WRONG
does zemo also hate walker?
does zemo hate ME???
[His world is being turned upside down right now, rip...]
I guess it could be
it would not be the first time red room created ultimate human weapon by stealing from HYDRA
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But basically, iirc, the other winter soldiers were some of HYDRA’s best assassins so they were already loyal to HYDRA. And when they got the serum, they became uncontrollable. Which is why they were taken to Siberia and put in cryo.
Obviously I have no idea if Zemo hates either of you but given he kinda hates the whole idea of superheroes and whatnot, probably yes?
Except he seems to respect Sam and Bucky? So it’s not a personal, “he hates the individual” thing, just a hate for powered people and superheroes in general.
There’s a reason he wanted to destroy the Avengers, after all.
Sam said his whole family was killed after Ultron destroyed Sokovia.
What else did they steal??
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but super powered people have also done a lot of GOOD in this world and I think is very unfair to judge all of them for a few mistakes and bad eggs
some human beings who did NOT have super powers have done things that are much worse than what happened at sokovia, so it is not really the powers that are to blame
I cannot talk about what they stole but they sent me in to do some of the stealing so
I think I know what I am talking about
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I agree with you.
And I'm literally Captain America's partner so it would be hypocritical of me if I didn't agree with you.
But I also didn't have my entire country lifted into the sky and then dropped. And I also didn't have to bury my entire family in the aftermath.
So, while I don't agree with his methods or the murder of a bunch of people, including the king of Wakanda, I can kinda get why he'd hate super heroes.
Ooh. Secrets!
Also I trust you.
You also don't have to try and convince me of that.
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but I always thought zemo is very nice, chill man
apart from the 'being in prison' thing. that does not matter, I have done some bad things and ended up in prison too
I just do not like the thought that he does not like people like me
that is good to know at least! :)
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I mean, when you really think about it, he's a father and husband mourning his wife and son.
I don't agree with his actions AT ALL!
But grief and pain affects people in all kinds ways.
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do you think I can change his mind? get him to like more super soldiers?
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I mean, he likes Bucky.
And I think he likes Sam?
So it's not the individuals that are the problem.
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that is how it should be
I don't know if he will ever like walker though
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He doesn't make it easy to like him either.
Pretty sure it's a defense mechanism.
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walker is a good person, he is just very bad at saying good things
and good at saying bad things
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He gives of the vibes of someone who really wants to be liked but is also super afraid of being judged and hated so just kinda gives people a reason to that isn't... himself?
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that is very deep
you really think that is it??
I should go and tell him he is cool more often
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But for a man who acts like an ass that doesn't care about anyone but himself, he sure does seem to really wanna help people.
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walker will always jump in to protect you when going gets tough
like very angry guard dog
he will punch your bullies in the face for you
I understand that feeling
I also like to punch bullies
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See what I mean?
Defense mechanism-y.
Don't tell him I said anything.
I don't think he likes me very much.
Also, I'm amazed anyone would bully you.
You're like a giant bear.
And I mean that in the not-gay way.
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it will be our secret :)
and you know
PRISON
everyone bullies everyone there, it is just how things are
there were many more giant bears there
gay and not-gay
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Even you?!
You're giant!
And I feel like you could be really terrifying?!
Also... I'm not surprised there are also the gay type of bears in prison.
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some people are just not easily terrified
especially not eight foot tall murderers surviving in russian gulag
it was a lot of bear versus bear behavior
and some inmates were just slimy underhanded snakes getting others to do the bullying for them
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EIGHT FOOT TALL?!
WHO NEEDS TO BE THAT TALL?!
And now you're a lone bear in a tower full of bisexual weirdos and John.
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pinky swear!
eight foot tall is great for reaching high shelves! :)
I am fine with being lone bear
now I am the one they ask for reaching high shelf things
unless ghost is around
ghost can just flicker up there
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No one needs to be that tall, Alexei.
Literally no one.
Can we dress you in a flannelette shirt?
Okay.
I hate that her powers hurt her but they're pretty cool!
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or actors playing roles where character is that big
I already own flannel shirts
they are very comfortable but people keep saying I look like lumberjack
they are very cool!
but yes used with discretion because it can go very wrong if she rematerializes somewhere she should not be.
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Yesssss!
I need to see you in full lumberjack mode!
I feel like that would really suit you.
That would not be an ideal situation.
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tall person means long legs
you could get pants made just for you but it would cost a lot of money I think
we can arrange that next time you visit tower
like I said I have many shirts like that
stop by my room sometime and I will show you
very bad situation, VERY bad!
I hope she never gets stuck in wall or floor